Comments on: Gerry Ayers on International Workers Memorial Day https://safetyatworkblog.com/2016/05/06/gerry-ayres-on-international-workers-memorial-day/ Award winning news, commentary and opinion on workplace health and safety Sun, 15 May 2016 01:24:09 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: Kevin Jones https://safetyatworkblog.com/2016/05/06/gerry-ayres-on-international-workers-memorial-day/#comment-1252 Sun, 15 May 2016 01:24:09 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=91987#comment-1252 In reply to Theresa Curley.

Theresa, I think one of the impediments to the acceptance of workplace health and safety as a non-negotiable is that once laws are passed, they dominate the consideration of business owners. It seems to be that only when something is, or becomes, illegal that it enters the radar of business owners and employers. However most last, and definitely those associated with OHS, have been created in response to disasters or excesses that have harmed people. Regulation is not created from a vacuum but in response to a crisis. The domination of laws as our reason to do things in a certain way has been the most significant cultural impact on how business operates in the long term. The OHS profession has been at fault as well by perpetuating this focus.

The obligation to not hurt anyone is a basic moral requirement of almost all societies and this morality is usually the reason people become involved with workplace safety, if not in response to personal trauma. The morality is really what people are meaning when they say they find the job satisfying, valuable or even warm and fuzzy. This satisfaction is not based on legislative compliance, it is something more personal and more valuable.

But the morality of OHS has been hijacked or diverted into other areas, often legal and risk considerations. These considerations are important but are often allowed to outweigh the importance of the person and the consequential social harm that an incident, injury or illness creates.

I remain skeptical of the “safety, differently” movement but do support its re-emphasis on the importance of the person. I am hopeful that this movement embraces the discussions of morality that come, usually, through religion and philosophy. I am hoping that discussions on business ethics start to consider ethics generally and not just in the business context because there are core values in our business, social and economic operations that deserve, and demand, attention.

Your comment urges us to continue the discussion of safety, of the hardships, the difficult decisions and the failures. It is disappointing that most of the ongoing discussion has to occur in social media, with all its limitations, because the mainstream media rarely follows an OHS issue to its conclusion. But there are some forms of social media that encourage longform articles and investigation, and sometimes on OHS-related matters. These need our support and encouragement because they do influence policy and practice and will do so more in the future.

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By: Theresa Curley https://safetyatworkblog.com/2016/05/06/gerry-ayres-on-international-workers-memorial-day/#comment-1251 Sun, 15 May 2016 00:13:58 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=91987#comment-1251 Thank you Stephen and Kevin.

“Perhaps what safety is about is the encouragement of people to take responsibility for their actions but for us to understand the reasons for that action, and to make that action less likely.”

Precisely, this simple concept exists but is not applied effectively.

This is how I see it.

Explore the expectations of the industries, the community, the regulators, and the litigation processes.
Link them, find out what each of them expect and use them in the detail. Hold industry and regulators accountable for improving outcomes.
Publish more widely available examples of the failures in expectations within the system, use them more transperantly so everyone can contribute to better outcomes.

Educate, eliminate the possibility that an individual can use a defence of “I didn’t know that”. Focus on how the failure in the education process has lead to that person, or company, making the decision that lead to the injury or death. How may cases before the courts involved the judge including education or re-education in the sentence?
Publish more widely available examples of the failures in education within the system, use them more transperantly so everyone can contribute to better outcomes.

Accountability – How long should we continue to allow industries to accept an underlying culture within the workplace that directly contributes to workplace injury and death. Focus on making it unacceptable for examples of attitudes and historical practices to influence unsafe workplace activity.
Those that think….
The rules and guidelines are only applicable if there is a chance of being caught.
The rules and guidelines do not apply to me, and rules and guidelines do not apply to my industry.
These people train, mentor and supervise others. The next generation learn and apply the same unsafe practices, over and over and over again.
How many cases before the courts have examples of these people?

“the same old excuses and pleadings keep coming up over and over again – I was drunk, I was on drugs, I had a brain snap, I was tired, fatigued, I wasn’t thinking (well I will accept that last one as being honest at least) , it was’nt my fault, etc. The move in the courts to not consider lack of funds for training or putting off the training to later, that results in a serious or fatal injury was way overdue, but we really have to see it implemented at all levels of business to be effective.”

Publish more widely available examples of the failures in holding individuals and companies to account within the system, use them more transperantly so everyone can contribute to better outcomes.

And, publish more widely examples of adherence to law, policy, rules and guidelines. Demonstrate through our now vast communication and media network how the right thing is achievable in everyday work places.
Explore why workers, supervisors, managers and companies choose safe practice as opposed to unsafe practice, and show examples of how positively this can impact on industry and the community.
Use this more transperantly so that everyone can see it, support it, promote it, and most importantly expect it.

IMW day to commemorate those lost it important, the community needs to reflect together.
We are all impacted by the loss of an individual who will no longer contribute to our everyday life, at home, at work, and in the community.

Those who have lost someone this way want to know it cannot, and will not happen to another.
The is the only potentially positive outcome that may give comfort is that the example of what happened can influence change.
Use this more transperantly so that everyone can see it, support it, promote it, and most importantly expect it.

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By: mikebehm https://safetyatworkblog.com/2016/05/06/gerry-ayres-on-international-workers-memorial-day/#comment-1250 Thu, 12 May 2016 15:50:06 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=91987#comment-1250 Kevin – thank you for participating in our event. Our students and colleagues in the States gained a greater appreciation for IWMD by the international perspective provided (EU, Canada, Australia, and US). We hope to encourage more events here in the US next year.
Regards, Mike

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By: Andrea Madeley https://safetyatworkblog.com/2016/05/06/gerry-ayres-on-international-workers-memorial-day/#comment-1249 Fri, 06 May 2016 03:15:57 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=91987#comment-1249 In South Australia, we had our highest attendance of immediate family members to our workers’ memorial service this year.

Admittedly our IWMD service has been well attended by families for a few years, but this year was a bit special and it was very much the executive of the new SafeWork SA that made the difference.

It just goes to show, when the community and the bureaucracy both work on the same page, good things can happen.

The lunch immediately following the IWMD service was attended by more than 50 family members – and for the first time, the director and liaison staff also attended. It was informal. It was respectful. There was a lot of listening going on.

See … I think we learn most about safety in the workplace by those who have paid the ultimate cost. There are far too many vital facts and evidence buried in the criminal justice system under current processes. There is no easy solution to this but by getting people talking, maybe the pieces start to come together.

For the first time in over a decade of advocating for change to OHS ‘attitudes’ in South Australia, I sense a very positive shift with a more inclusive plan. Perhaps for the first time we are seeing contrasting opinions converge in the middle in revisionist problem-solving.

I believe the ‘April 28’ focus should remain very precisely on the worker who has lost his or her life doing a job. If this endures and is not hijacked by egos and personal agendas, the byproduct is apparent enough – the public mind will naturally shift to safety – and that’s a very good thing.

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By: Kevin Jones https://safetyatworkblog.com/2016/05/06/gerry-ayres-on-international-workers-memorial-day/#comment-1248 Fri, 06 May 2016 02:56:08 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=91987#comment-1248 In reply to Richard Forster.

Richard, I don’t know that the day needs to be nationally recognised of formalised in that way. There are memorials to workers in most Australian States and a National Memorial was opened in Canberra only a couple of years ago to considerable fanfare. The status of the day should come from how it is commemorated, perhaps.

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By: Kevin Jones https://safetyatworkblog.com/2016/05/06/gerry-ayres-on-international-workers-memorial-day/#comment-1247 Fri, 06 May 2016 02:53:40 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=91987#comment-1247 In reply to stephen sandilands.

Stephen, part of the contemporary OHS challenge is to encourage/enforce accountability at the same time as a applying a “no blame” or just/fair culture model. I don’t think there has been enough discussion on how to blend these two apparent opposites.

Perhaps what safety is about is the encouragement of people to take responsibility for their actions but for us to understand the reasons for that action, and to make that action less likely.

On the issue of politics, I noticed that Bill Shorten mention workplace safety as an example, of the need for fairness in this budget reply speech last night – “the importance of getting home safely” or some phrase like that. This should not be a surprise given his union background but it is a hint that he is aware of the OHS context of the policies he proposes. Some see his background as a political weakness but given the role of unions in improving workplace safety, in OHS terms, it may be an advantage. (I have discussed the politics of safety elsewhere in SafetyAtWorkBlog)

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By: Richard Forster https://safetyatworkblog.com/2016/05/06/gerry-ayres-on-international-workers-memorial-day/#comment-1246 Fri, 06 May 2016 02:44:38 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=91987#comment-1246 How does the O/WHS industry, as such lobby for a “day” to be nationally recognised? There seem to be “days” for nearly everything. Can the various regulators rally together for this to happen?

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By: stephen sandilands https://safetyatworkblog.com/2016/05/06/gerry-ayres-on-international-workers-memorial-day/#comment-1245 Fri, 06 May 2016 01:25:22 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=91987#comment-1245 and Amen to that Kevin!!!

Smart digital age, technology, productivity, smart policies. Yeah. unfortunantely we have all been there and heard that before.

From a political perspective, rather than leading it is where-ever you go now in wester society, down to point scoring, sniping, cata calling, rubbishing, denigrating, ad infinitum.

Policiticans bow to pressures from the big end of town in all guises and forums. When we get a politician who is prepared to stand up and take hard decisions even though unpopular then we really have a leader and a statesman.

Politically making people accountable is always unpopular and loses votes, but it is becoming a work and social imperative more and more and needs to be seen as such. What we do safety in our work places needs to be translated every day of our lives into our normal non work activities, just as is being demonstrated now in adddressing domestic violence. However our though processes should not go to the point of making our upcoming genrations so risk averse that they won’t do anything at all.

Having worked in the legal system on both sides as well as having done investigations, the same old excuses and pleadings keep coming up over and over again – I was drunk, I was on drugs, I had a brain snap, I was tired, fatigued, I wasn’t thinking (well I will accept that last one as being honest at least) , it was’nt my fault, etc. The move in the courts to not consider lack of funds for training or putting off the training to later, that results in a serious or fatal injury was way overdue, but we really have to see it implemented at all levels of business to be effective.

If as a society we are really serious about this sort of totally unacceptable statistics, then we need unilateral action and politicians with the real intestinal foritude to act for the people, not just bythose directly electing them but the Australian nation, to cover both work and non work situations.

More power to your blog Kevin!

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