Comments on: Is safe work a basic, or fundamental, human right? https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/08/14/is-safe-work-a-basic-or-fundamental-human-right/ Award winning news, commentary and opinion on workplace health and safety Sun, 12 Mar 2023 01:49:12 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: dieta https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/08/14/is-safe-work-a-basic-or-fundamental-human-right/#comment-5061 Fri, 07 Sep 2012 09:28:25 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=10824#comment-5061 As workers in a democratic society, and in one of the richest nations in the world, it is hard to imagine that we would need to worry about human rights in the workplace. However, multi-national companies and small concerns alike, they can all breach the rights of their workers in favour of putting a few more zeros in the profit column.

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By: Principled pragmatism – Human Rights included in OHS Due Diligence « SafetyAtWorkBlog https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/08/14/is-safe-work-a-basic-or-fundamental-human-right/#comment-5060 Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:00:39 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=10824#comment-5060 […] an earlier blog post, one reader has pointed us to the United Nations Guiding Principles for Business and Human Rights […]

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By: Les henley https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/08/14/is-safe-work-a-basic-or-fundamental-human-right/#comment-5059 Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:14:12 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=10824#comment-5059 In reply to Grant.

Hi Grant,
I just got around to checking out the link in your comment above.
I fully understand the concept of a \’charter of rights\’ but I am at a loss to understand why such a document should be so one sided.
There is much about the Workers\’ rights and Employers\’ responsibilities but what about the inverse – worker responsibility and Employer rights?
I have long held the the idea that every right has an associated responsibility and every responsibility has an associated right – see my first comment above.
I am aware of the age old differential in power between employer and workers but that doesn\’t negate the need to recognise that employers should have rights too. See also my first comment above re the worker who took an unncessary risk and injured herself despite her employer\’s attempts to prevent same.
Further, I fail to see how a right to \”Travel to and from work in safety and with appropriate protections\” can placed as a responsiblity on employers. Surely EVERY ROAD USER, along with EVERY BUS OR TRAIN USER – whether travelling to work or not – should have that right and yet, as road, bus and train users, the majority of us take unncessary risks and are exposed to the behaviours of others placing us at risk and which behaviours employers have abslutely no control over.
Let\’s get real and place responsibilities in appropriate places, and take responsibility for ourselves, before we start demanding rights from others who cannot grant them.

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By: Grant https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/08/14/is-safe-work-a-basic-or-fundamental-human-right/#comment-5058 Thu, 16 Aug 2012 04:41:02 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=10824#comment-5058 Bill Shorten agrees:
\”The Hon Bill Shorten MP: Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations, Financial Services and Superannuation

Madam Deputy Speaker, on the 14th of March this year, in my first Ministerial statement on workplace health and safety in this place, I said that every Australian who goes to work should return home safely.

I know both sides of the House endorse this universal, human right. \”

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By: Grant https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/08/14/is-safe-work-a-basic-or-fundamental-human-right/#comment-5057 Tue, 14 Aug 2012 04:39:32 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=10824#comment-5057 Hi Kevin,

I\’m sure you won\’t be surprised to know that I support a charter of workplace rights – here\’s one …

http://www.ohsrep.org.au/storage/documents/VTHC_OHS_Charter.pdf

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By: Les henley https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/08/14/is-safe-work-a-basic-or-fundamental-human-right/#comment-5056 Tue, 14 Aug 2012 03:34:35 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=10824#comment-5056 In reply to Kevin Jones.

Kevin, we may be looking at that issue of safe workplace/work environment differently –

For as long as I have been \’doing\’ OHS (20+ years) I have always portrayed a \’job\’ or \’task\’ as something that is performed:
– in a \’place\’,
– using plant/substance and
– following a process
– by people.
A Job Safety Analysis (JSA) then should include a review of the surrounding environment as well as the immediate workspace for things that might \’bite\’ the worker while they are focussed on the work.

Even the new law requires PCBUs to ensure [s19(3)(a) the provision and maintenance of a work environment without risks to health and safety]. This is not significantly different in NSW to the old law at this point except for \’reasonable practicability\’.

I don\’t see that as diminishing the concept of workplace/work environment. Rather I see it as expanding the concept that the \’workplace/work environment\’ IS wherever the work takes place.

The change in the law simply expands the concept to include beyond the boundaries of the property that the employer (PCBU) has immediate control over.

Again, this is a useful view in my current role as our workers take clients with disabilities into community settings such as parks, shopping centres, swimming pools, bowling alleys and even sailing lakes – hence our employees\’ workplaces/work environments ARE those community settings. And how can this PCBU provide and maintain safe work enviornments in such places?
And many of our clients have behavioural issues and so we only ever have marginal or notional control over some risks in these \’workplaces\’.

So, accordingly, we document risk assessments on transport/locations/actvities/client disability constraints, etc in order to maximise safety for all involved.
It isn\’t rocket science – it just takes a little effort.

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By: Kevin Jones https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/08/14/is-safe-work-a-basic-or-fundamental-human-right/#comment-5055 Tue, 14 Aug 2012 02:48:21 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=10824#comment-5055 In reply to Les henley.

On the issue of what is safety and a safe working environment, I think the OHS harmonisation in Australia has sidestepped this question be putting the focus on the work being done rather than the place in which it occurs. This seems to have taken workplace out of safety consideration or, at least, granted it far less relevance than it previously. I think that the various reviews found that the \”old\” focus on workplace created an artificial delineation between public safety and work safety that the nature of work, and the hazards associated with that work, had shown to be anomalous. The new focus on work is an attempt to change our understanding of safety and generate control measures that the changing nature of work.

I think the discussion of safety as a \”human right\” may also require a parallel discussion of \”human responsibilities\”. The Victorian Charter title includes both rights and responsibilities. Perhaps, my article should have reflected this. Next time.

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By: Kevin Jones https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/08/14/is-safe-work-a-basic-or-fundamental-human-right/#comment-5054 Tue, 14 Aug 2012 02:40:58 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=10824#comment-5054 In reply to Bency George.

Bency, I echo Les\’ comments. History has proven that self-regulation of workplace safety, and human dignity, has not worked and that laws are required to reflect society\’s humanitarian values.

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By: Les henley https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/08/14/is-safe-work-a-basic-or-fundamental-human-right/#comment-5053 Tue, 14 Aug 2012 02:27:26 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=10824#comment-5053 Hi Kevin,
My initial repsonse to the question \”should there also be freedom from injury as a basic human right?” is that, whilst many (the majority?) of employers attempt to provide a safe working enviornment, employers are unable to prevent workers taking unnecessary risks that may result in injury.
As an example – I was just dealing this morning with a workers comp claim where an employee attempted to use a faulty piece of equipment, without notifying her supervisor, and suffered a back strain. We have clear requirements and procedures for reporting hazards and an organisational \’culture\’ that takes these thing seriously (we provide services to people with disabilities so they may also be at risk when workers take such risks). The worker subsequently let slip that she also has a pre-condition that may have contributed in some part to this resultant injury.
My second response is to the question \”Is a human right to a safe and healthy workplace needed?\” – I thought that under the current (NSW) law, the imposed responsibility on employers to ensure (so far as reasonably practicable) safety of employees (and others) essentially establishes a \’right\’ that employees\’ should expect that their safety be ensured (so far as reasonably practicable).
But what is \’safety\’? Or a \’safe work environment\’?
Compare eg (I\’ve done work in all of these) the Forestry Industry against the Steel Industry as against the Aged Care industry and the Finance Industry and the concept of \’safe work environments\’ would vary from group to group even within each industry, depending on which part of the industry the group exists.
Surely an \’inalienable\’ right needs to be capable of being clearly stated and defined such that is can be applied to every person irrespective of context?
I see these two questions as distinct and different enough that they need to be considered separately because the path to ahieve either is significantly different.
I hold to Bency George\’s comment above \”To treat a human as a human do we need any laws?\” But unfortunately we do need laws because it depends on whether you are doing it to someone else or they are doing it to you as to how humans treat humans.
And in a societal setting that advertises \’you are number one\’ we are becoming more and more selfish, at the expense of the other people around us.
Even if we establish a human right to a safe workplace, good luck with making it so – any more than we are making existing laws so.

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By: DORI BARREIROS https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/08/14/is-safe-work-a-basic-or-fundamental-human-right/#comment-5052 Tue, 14 Aug 2012 01:16:55 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=10824#comment-5052 As far as health and safety in the workplaces, my view is that we should understand these issues as being part of the labor relations and as such employer and employees should discuss their problems under government regulations.

Dori Barreiros, PhD – Brazil

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