Comments on: Need to focus on safety first and compliance later https://safetyatworkblog.com/2013/02/21/need-to-focus-on-safety-first-and-compliance-later/ Award winning news, commentary and opinion on workplace health and safety Sat, 19 Oct 2013 08:25:58 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: tahajan https://safetyatworkblog.com/2013/02/21/need-to-focus-on-safety-first-and-compliance-later/#comment-5458 Sat, 19 Oct 2013 08:25:58 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=11578#comment-5458 safety as a value: choice vs compliance can you explain it?

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By: Avis Williamson https://safetyatworkblog.com/2013/02/21/need-to-focus-on-safety-first-and-compliance-later/#comment-5457 Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:28:28 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=11578#comment-5457 Kevin, you are so right, Safety is more than compliance. Compliance is one component in the implementation of effective safety and it is not the first and most important component. A common understanding of what \’safety\’ means is a starting component. Safety is more than the absence of illness or injury. It is the ability to prevent as many as practicable safety incidents occurring, it is the ability to prevent occurrences from becoming worse and it is the ability to recover from safety incidents with as little negative impact as possible. The following components are accountability and with that goes competence and knowledge, then the identification of those positions that are safety-critical and how they are safety-critical, followed by identification and either elimination or control of the hazards that are associated with work processes, followed by what has to be changed to help an injured employee return to work

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By: Les Henley https://safetyatworkblog.com/2013/02/21/need-to-focus-on-safety-first-and-compliance-later/#comment-5456 Thu, 21 Feb 2013 03:12:21 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=11578#comment-5456 Malcolm,
You\’re quite right – If my approach HAD been applied by all responsible parties, even thre of these four incidents could have been foreseen and prevented. The crane malfunction was not foreseeable, neither could we replicate what happened as it had been reported by the operator.
Unfortunately, as we all know, one WHS person cannot be everywhere all the time, so until we do the education stuff, making EVERYONE aware of, and competent in application of, the process, some issues may continue to be missed.
But so long as we are applying the systematic approach and so long as we learn from those missed issues, we will continue to improve both compliance and safety.
In the entanglement case, (my current employer has some 35 sites) WorkCover inspectors had been involved in assessing and recommending safety controls during the comissioning phase of the machine in question. Based on information provided to them they \’allowed\’ the unprotected area to go unguarded. (I believe this also contributed to limited adverse action).
However, the point is that the manager at the site had made significant efforts to comply and the machine had run for some 3 years without incident before a supervisory team member took a short cut and failed to apply the documented isolation procedure for the area he entered.
Part of WorkCovers investigation identified that all reasonable steps had been taken, including training and accountability documentation for the injured person – he knew the procedure but failed to apply it in the instance that injured him.
And I believe from this that if we properly applied \’compliance\’ with the spirit of the hierarchy of controls we would not have relied on an isolation procedure (soft control) but would have implemented an interlocked guard (hard control) from the start.
We have examined what happened and installed an interlocked guard to prevent recurrences.
Finally, your four brief suggestions for how these incidents could have been foreseen simply support my point that systematic management of \’compliance\’ approaches would have made the plants safer.

I\’m not comfortable that you call supervisors and workers \’stupid\’ just because they do might cause accidents and suffer injuries.
According to Wikipedia \’Stupidity is a lack of intelligence, understanding, reason, wit, or sense\’.
A person not having relevant information or knowledge, or failing to apply a \’standard practice\’ for unexplored reasons does not, in my opinion equate to stupid.
Similarly a person making a particular choice between 2 conflicting choices (my job? or my life?) may be ill advised but still doesn\’t fit the defintion above.
As for your last point for stronger emphasis on where the buck stops – the harmonised legislation has made that very plain. Though for mine it was a step backwards from the previous NSW standard.
Whilst an incident in and of itself is not evidence that an employer has breached their obligation to ensure safety, it\’s a strong indicator that probably not enough had been done to prevent the injury.
The buck stops with the employer (PCBU) who has the control of resources and has the most to gain from the human resource at risk. Whereas the worker has the most to lose and least control over their situation

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By: Kevin Jones https://safetyatworkblog.com/2013/02/21/need-to-focus-on-safety-first-and-compliance-later/#comment-5455 Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:09:51 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=11578#comment-5455 Andrea the whole debate on safety vs profit is difficult to discuss and almost impossible to resolve but, as I have said, in other articles, the debate can be part of the current productivity discussions occurring currently in Australia. Few workplace safety advocates are knowledgeable on economics but that should not stop us for entering the debate, as I hope to do through SafetyAtWorkBlog articles in the coming months.

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By: Kevin Jones https://safetyatworkblog.com/2013/02/21/need-to-focus-on-safety-first-and-compliance-later/#comment-5454 Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:05:32 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=11578#comment-5454 Les, I agree that the Work Health and Safety laws are a marked step from previous OHS laws, particularly in the area of Due Diligence. The Due Diligence obligation is proving to be a major change agent in the approach of senior executives and boards to OHS. Not as much, perhaps, as Industrial Manslaughter promised a decade ago, but more seems to be changing with a carrot than the stick.

I think it is also significant that the new Rail Safety Act being introduced gradually in most Australian States has a legislative obligation to operate a \”safety culture\”. How that will be assessed or policed will be fascinating, to take Tony\’s perspective above.

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By: Kevin Jones https://safetyatworkblog.com/2013/02/21/need-to-focus-on-safety-first-and-compliance-later/#comment-5453 Thu, 21 Feb 2013 01:58:25 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=11578#comment-5453 Tony, modern OHS laws have always placed the principle responsibiliity on the employer. Expecting an OHS inspectorate to improve safety is never going to happen as the inspectorate only ever refers to compliance.

I agree with Yossi\’s call for a new approach but we must understand the flaws in the existing approach, flaws which this article tried to discuss.

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By: Andrea Madeley https://safetyatworkblog.com/2013/02/21/need-to-focus-on-safety-first-and-compliance-later/#comment-5452 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:36:48 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=11578#comment-5452 Thank you Kevin …

This is precisely the message I have been sharing for years in my workplace presentation – Reflections.

Safety has a lot less to do with safety laws, procedures and systems than it does about how we perceive its value. What is a life worth? Is there a dollar value or is it about family and children and futures? If there is a genuine \’will\’ then the way to do it is a fairly easy path to find. If change is brought about by force, one tends to do only what is required – and that is often not enough – the mindset is wrong.

It\’s rather interesting how those who have experienced trauma and loss often know all this. Books and pages of academic material will never replace what we are all naturally gifted with. Furthermore, this does not come dripping in cost and expensive procedure. It just needs to be delivered with heart and conviction. It requires directors and management to stand by its commitment – because talking the talk is not the same as walking the walk.

The other side of that coin is of course the competition — human vs profit. Our fair trading system is shot to pieces. The WTO and our own governments conveniently ignore the terrible global abuse of human (worker) rights – as a result we can\’t compete….oh really who cares? It\’s the blind leading the blind.

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By: Malcolm https://safetyatworkblog.com/2013/02/21/need-to-focus-on-safety-first-and-compliance-later/#comment-5451 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:34:17 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=11578#comment-5451 Les, if you had applied your own argument none of those incidents would have occurred – Assessing plant and equipment for hazards and risks – surely the pallet jack incident could have been foreseen! chain and sprocket incident – simple guarding issue? Machine maintenance and checking electrical supply regularly should have avoided the electric shock! Machine maintenance and testing would have avoided the ‘malfunction’ As has been said a million times, everyone looks at the same issue differently! I too have been in the ‘game’ over 30 years and it still amazes me how stupid people, management and employees, can be and they all quote ‘common sense’ when it goes wrong, I’m 60 and still can’t find a definition for that one. While I can see both sides of the argument, there does need to be a shift in the way everyone deals with safety in the workplace, there needs to be a stronger emphasis on where the ‘buck’ stops and an acceptance that it is ‘everyone’s’ responsibility.

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By: Les Henley https://safetyatworkblog.com/2013/02/21/need-to-focus-on-safety-first-and-compliance-later/#comment-5450 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 21:55:55 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=11578#comment-5450 Hi Kevin,
I\’m not convinced that Compliance ≠ Safety in all cases. However regulator inspection may not truly assess Safety unless they explore the full range of initiatives taken by organisations in the interestes of safety.

I base my position on this: If you take the broad view of section 19 of the harmonised act, and the subordinate responsibility sections following, the employer (PCBU) is to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, the safety of (subsection 1) workers and (subsection 2) others.
Everything esle following this responisbility and in the regs are informative statements providing examples and minimum standards.
So for instance, subsection (3) includes, but does not limit, aspects of the PCBU business that MUST be considered in ensuring safety.
Then Part 5 establishes the grounds for consultation on matters affecting persons in the workplace.

The requirements set out in the subordinate regulation simply provide for more detailed minimum standards – Eg: chapter 5 – specific requirements for establishing consultation, and Chapter 3 Part 3.1 specific requirements to establish an approach to risk management that must be followed by all PCBUs.

All sections following this, regarding specific risks, again only provide for minimum standards and SHOULD NOT be considered as the ONLY hazards that must be adressed.

Hence a true compliance model would:
1: establish consultation;
2: establish risk management processes and how they are to applied at the worksite;
3: assess the sections of the regualtion following Chapter 3 Part 3.1, and assess the relevant (WorkCover approved) Codes of Practice (applicable across all affected industries and organisations), to identify applicable issues and minimum standards for addressing them at specific worksites,
4: assess the specifics of
a: the industry and
b: the organisaiton and
c: the worksite
for hazards not otherwise idenitfied in the regulation. NOTE: This is where industry specific codes of practice and Australian Standards play a large part in meeting minimum standards. But there must also be organisation (and even worksite) specific procedures for addressing hazards specific to the organisaiton and/or worksite that are not addressed by any of the Act or subordinate documents listed here.

I agree that simple compliance with JUST the requirements for consultation and hazards listed in the regulation ≠ compliance with the broader requirements of the act.

But compliance with the broader requirments of the act, following the 4 layers I\’ve set out = compliance, and should go a long way to = Safety as well.

I\’ve found that this approach has served me well for over 15 years. In 20+ years I have been involved with multiple industries and organisations and, in that time, have only had 4 incidents to date that needed to be reported to WorkCover and have never had stronger adverse action than Improvement Notices in 2 of those incidents.
One involved an electric, ride-on, pallet jack reversing off the side of a tailgate loader, resulted in the battery pack landing on the knees of the operator.
The other involved entanglement in a chain and sprocket drive resulting in amputation of two finger tips.
The other two reported incidents involved:
1: an electric shock due to an abraded power cord making a small machine \’live\’.
2: A crane malfunction resulted in a crucible of molten iron tipped over a foundry floor.

And in my current role (2 1/4 years now) this approach has achieved a 60% reduction in average cost of claims and approximately 45% reduction in compensable injuries.

So from this, seeking to meet compliance has, in the main, = improved safety.

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By: Tony Harrison https://safetyatworkblog.com/2013/02/21/need-to-focus-on-safety-first-and-compliance-later/#comment-5449 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 21:40:46 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=11578#comment-5449 Kevin , there is a flaw in your argument; \”Employers have always seen legislative compliance as the equivalent of being safe. This position seems sensible because if the safety police of the OHS regulator leave you alone after a site visit and say you are compliant, your workplace must be safe. The safety experts have visited and found nothing wrong, it is logical to then assume safety.\” this assumes that businesses are inspected by the authorities when the facts are, it is a rarity for a business to be proactively inspected. In SA alone there are approximately 75,000 small businesses and around 100 Safework inspectors covering more than just safety in the workplace, the maths give you the answer.

You can put any amount of legislation in place but if you don\’t fund the \”policing\” even at the most basic level safety is dead in the water.

As Yossi Berger has said there needs to be completely new shift in strategy to really float the safety boat. We have researched the topic to death and chewed the safety bone to the marrow without much result so the emphasis must now shift to an entirely different model that is enthusiastically engaged by employers – expend our efforts in that area and results will flow \” Its a money matter \”

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