Comments on: Safety is the first agenda item but the last consideration https://safetyatworkblog.com/2016/03/04/safety-is-the-first-agenda-item-but-the-last-consideration/ Award winning news, commentary and opinion on workplace health and safety Mon, 05 Sep 2016 12:57:35 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: Hu Sam https://safetyatworkblog.com/2016/03/04/safety-is-the-first-agenda-item-but-the-last-consideration/#comment-1144 Mon, 05 Sep 2016 12:57:35 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=91698#comment-1144 Nicely said.

My view is that in part; as long as OHS is not yet a subject in Civil Engineering curricula, then little is hoped for management REAL appreciation to safety.

100% of construction project managers are civil engineers

I believe the same notion applies to many other businesses.

Thanks

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By: Kevin Jones https://safetyatworkblog.com/2016/03/04/safety-is-the-first-agenda-item-but-the-last-consideration/#comment-1143 Fri, 04 Mar 2016 02:19:33 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=91698#comment-1143 In reply to TopRep.

TopRep, I have no experience about the OHS duties of OHS regulators to their own staff and, certainly, my article had no reference to OHS regulators. There may be some evidence of this type of behaviour in the various inquiries over the last few years in to the OHJS regulators in Victoria, NSW and South Australia but I am not aware of any.

Thanks for commenting.

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By: TopRep https://safetyatworkblog.com/2016/03/04/safety-is-the-first-agenda-item-but-the-last-consideration/#comment-1142 Fri, 04 Mar 2016 01:57:53 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=91698#comment-1142 I have experienced this “duty avoidance behaviour” by managers every time I have been involved in heath and safety, either as a Rep or lately as a consultant. The “avoiders” will do just about anything, including bullying and threatening the others, to get others to take the load or just accept doing nothing as the norm.

I have worked in a couple of regulatory agencies where this behaviour is at its most obvious, who’s going to regulate the regulators behaviour? This toxic behaviour started at the top and seeped all the way down through every management level of the agencies. Poor audit results were covered up and plans to correct them were never honored, HSR’s were targeted and isolated, all with the knowledge of so called inspectors or OHS Champions and nothing was done to prevent this behaviour. Tokenism was the order of the day “don’t ask don’t tell” became the culture. Fortunately I got another job with a great employer who is proactive and treats employees well and seems genuinely concerned about health and safety outcomes. Our WHS Agencies should be an open book on health and safety practices and should be the exemplar of safety culture and not the enigma. If the regulators are participating in these “avoidance behaviours” what chance do the rest of us have!

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By: David Skegg https://safetyatworkblog.com/2016/03/04/safety-is-the-first-agenda-item-but-the-last-consideration/#comment-1141 Fri, 04 Mar 2016 00:37:04 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=91698#comment-1141 In reply to David Skegg.

Excellent timing Kevin. We are currently looking at options

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By: Kevin Jones https://safetyatworkblog.com/2016/03/04/safety-is-the-first-agenda-item-but-the-last-consideration/#comment-1140 Fri, 04 Mar 2016 00:34:10 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=91698#comment-1140 In reply to David Skegg.

David, I accept that universities teach OHS graduates these concepts but what is being done to provide these concepts to those taking Masters of Business Administrations or Project Management. I see you are located in Central Queensland University’s Bundaberg School of Human, Health and Social Sciences and CQU offers both MBAs and Project Management diplomas. Do lecturers from your School provide any instruction to the students in the business schools? If not, why not?

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By: David Skegg https://safetyatworkblog.com/2016/03/04/safety-is-the-first-agenda-item-but-the-last-consideration/#comment-1139 Thu, 03 Mar 2016 23:53:42 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=91698#comment-1139 Integration has always been a key component. Companies exist to make money, not produce “safety”, and treating it as a separate commodity must eventually fail. Interestingly, one of the courses we teach in the BOHS program is Safety Through Design, utilising lecturers of the calibre of Derek Viner. It is another way for integration of the safety sciences.

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By: stephen sandilands https://safetyatworkblog.com/2016/03/04/safety-is-the-first-agenda-item-but-the-last-consideration/#comment-1138 Thu, 03 Mar 2016 23:18:27 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=91698#comment-1138 Your experience is sometheing that I am sure many of us including myself, have also experienced and in the greatest sense demonstrates a complete lack of understanding by the individual involved of the legislative responsibilities and accountabilities that are imposed upon such a role. It can also be indicative of a complete lack of regard to the requirements for training by the company involved as well as ensuring competent personnel are in the roles. In many cases a person is hired on what is on the resume or because they know someone, but unfortunately this does not demonstrate competence.

However I am pleased to say that in the safety sphere where importance is being given to competence and proper targetted training is provided to ensure personnel are aware of their repsonsibilities, things can and do improve. The last job I have been on, if persons in roles such as the one you describe, did not take a good hard look at their repsonsibilities, did not do walk rounds, did not gete involved in looking at the incidents and so on, then the history for that organisation is quite clear, the specific persons did not last long on the job and were replaced by persons who understood the safety requirements of competency in that role.

There is still hope for continued change and improvement. That then raises the issue of when it does improve and it would be demonstrated by a whole range of things, not just reduced LTI’s or the company TRIFR rate, the regualtors don’t accept the detail and want to know what has not been reported or insist you cannot have achieved such an outcome. There needs to be change in that area as well, rather than just sticking to the usual indicators and trends that have gone on for years.

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By: Wipe Safety Off The Agenda • Safety Risk https://safetyatworkblog.com/2016/03/04/safety-is-the-first-agenda-item-but-the-last-consideration/#comment-1137 Thu, 03 Mar 2016 22:52:19 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=91698#comment-1137 […] Jones makes a similar point is his recent blog (very much worth a read): Safety is the first agenda item but the last consideration. Kevin suggests taking safety off the agenda as a specific item and including it, where […]

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By: Kevin Jones https://safetyatworkblog.com/2016/03/04/safety-is-the-first-agenda-item-but-the-last-consideration/#comment-1136 Thu, 03 Mar 2016 21:30:03 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=91698#comment-1136 Safety can “slide to the back” but I see this as a sign of inadequate planning. Safety in Design is an increasingly accepted concept in engineering and structural drawing but not in safety management systems. Although maybe it is at the start but people allow safety requirements to be eroded as the Program starts to be developed and refined, and the contractors begin to assert their own requirements and limitations. Perhaps, Clients begin discussions as safety advocates who then allow A reality to weaken the requirements. Perhaps we are too accommodating of contractor pressure?

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By: motoguzzirulz https://safetyatworkblog.com/2016/03/04/safety-is-the-first-agenda-item-but-the-last-consideration/#comment-1135 Thu, 03 Mar 2016 21:18:49 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=91698#comment-1135 Sadly more common than not. I often see fancy frames statements in foyers of businesses. When it comes down to it safety slides to the back if problems arise with money. This is a failure to see safety as an integral party of making a business financially successful, my saying is ” One good prosecution can ruin a years profits”. Just my observation.

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