Comments on: Cry of frustration in Industrial Manslaughter Bill https://safetyatworkblog.com/2015/05/12/cry-of-frustration-in-industrial-manslaughter-bill/ Award winning news, commentary and opinion on workplace health and safety Thu, 07 Apr 2016 22:01:02 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: A new option for avoiding OHS obligations « SafetyAtWorkBlog https://safetyatworkblog.com/2015/05/12/cry-of-frustration-in-industrial-manslaughter-bill/#comment-640 Thu, 07 Apr 2016 22:01:02 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=90367#comment-640 […] and the trade union movement continue to press for increased executive accountability through industrial manslaughter laws when companies and directors continue to avoid OHS obligations that are, relatively, simple to […]

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By: ACTU Congress’ draft OHS policies deserve serious analysis « SafetyAtWorkBlog https://safetyatworkblog.com/2015/05/12/cry-of-frustration-in-industrial-manslaughter-bill/#comment-639 Mon, 25 May 2015 07:01:59 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=90367#comment-639 […] manslaughter law since 2004 and it is yet to be used. A South Australian Member of Parliament has tried repeatedly for such laws in that jurisdiction but without […]

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By: Andrea Madeley https://safetyatworkblog.com/2015/05/12/cry-of-frustration-in-industrial-manslaughter-bill/#comment-638 Mon, 25 May 2015 04:43:17 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=90367#comment-638 You may be misinterpreting the cry of frustration Kevin.

This talks to the rule of law – we are supposed to be equal before the law…and if a corporation demands the basic rights of a human entity, then it should be subject to the same penalties when it commits a crime.

The question is, when does a company commit a crime?

Why is there no serious repercussion to a corporate body and those making reckless decisions within it? Why are they not subject to the same indictments in the most extreme cases when their acts or omissions wreak havoc causing death?

It seems to me, while they throw around words like ‘criminal offence’ like lolly wrappers, at the same time, reminding us that there is a deterrence at play here, it seems no where in the WHS Act does it apply any criminal baggage to reckless conduct that causes death.

The only area I can see any reference to a criminal code is in relation to the Commonwealth. For the rest, what we have here is a wolf in sheep’s clothing – something akin to a speeding fine.

The fact remains. In order to hold a ‘company’ adequately accountable for the most serious and extreme cases of reckless conduct, the best we have available is a summary offence to which they can indemnify themselves. The reason they can indemnify themselves is because there’s a pretty clear line in the sand that differentiates the nature of summary offences and crimes of an indictable nature.

If it wants to be ‘people’ it must play by the same rules. It’s just a tough barrier to break through because the old common law was so reluctant to treat on the toes of business. Times have changed.

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By: Kevin Jones https://safetyatworkblog.com/2015/05/12/cry-of-frustration-in-industrial-manslaughter-bill/#comment-637 Tue, 12 May 2015 00:02:42 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=90367#comment-637 Thanks Brett, I wasn’t aware of the NZ changes in this area.

Your comment also reminded me that I did not include a link to the actual Industrial Manslaughter Bill – http://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/LZ/B/CURRENT/WORK%20HEALTH%20AND%20SAFETY%20%28INDUSTRIAL%20MANSLAUGHTER%29%20AMENDMENT%20BILL%202015_HON%20TAMMY%20FRANKS%20MLC.aspx

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By: Brett Duff https://safetyatworkblog.com/2015/05/12/cry-of-frustration-in-industrial-manslaughter-bill/#comment-636 Mon, 11 May 2015 23:33:24 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=90367#comment-636 If insuring themselves out of fines is the problem then why not just amend the existing legislation to make any insurance of said fines illegal? They can take the wording directly out of the NZ WHS Bill if they want. NZ saw our problems and fixed it at the Bill stage.

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