Comments on: The safety features of the new Polaris set a new benchmark https://safetyatworkblog.com/2014/01/23/the-safety-features-of-the-new-polaris-set-a-new-benchmark/ Award winning news, commentary and opinion on workplace health and safety Mon, 14 Sep 2020 06:55:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: Kevin Jones https://safetyatworkblog.com/2014/01/23/the-safety-features-of-the-new-polaris-set-a-new-benchmark/#comment-76408 Mon, 14 Sep 2020 06:55:00 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=12365#comment-76408 In reply to Tim White.

Can’t help you get another Ace but it’s great to hear a first-hand account.

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By: Tim White https://safetyatworkblog.com/2014/01/23/the-safety-features-of-the-new-polaris-set-a-new-benchmark/#comment-76407 Mon, 14 Sep 2020 06:51:59 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=12365#comment-76407 I only discovered this ‘thread’ last week when Googling to see where we could get hold of (another) Ace…

We only discovered the Ace in 2018, having by chance seen one at dealer when we were looking at kids’ bikes. We bought one and found it to be an ideal vehicle for mustering. I really can’t emphasise how mission-perfect it is. We then bought a second in 2019 and it was just last week we found-out that the Ace has been discontinued, so have added to our little fleet one of the few remaining new ones in NSW.

I understand that on particular types of farm (particularly smaller ones), people will want to use one vehicle for all missions. But in a bigger enterprise, the Ace (for us) perfectly fits the void between a motorbike and a full-sized 4WD. It’s narrower than a SxS, can turn at least as well as a quad, and you don’t need to be always looking-out for logs and holes and needn’t worry about being knocked-over by a beast. The places these things can go, in (relative) safety, needs to be seen to be believed.

We’ll lovingly maintain the three we have, hoping that market forces see the re-introduction of something similar before too long.

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By: Latest quad bike safety advice is more measured « SafetyAtWorkBlog https://safetyatworkblog.com/2014/01/23/the-safety-features-of-the-new-polaris-set-a-new-benchmark/#comment-5993 Sun, 22 Jan 2017 21:01:00 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=12365#comment-5993 […] are not recommended, so what does one do?  It seems you cut through the political bullshit and upgrade to a vehicle that has roll protection integrated into the vehicle’s design.  The ultimate benefit is that […]

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By: David https://safetyatworkblog.com/2014/01/23/the-safety-features-of-the-new-polaris-set-a-new-benchmark/#comment-5992 Tue, 27 Sep 2016 20:07:04 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=12365#comment-5992 In reply to The Watchkeepers.

What is your opinión about automatic ROPS? They do not interfere in daily use, keep cdg low and expand when rollover cannot be avoided, providing full rollover protection

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By: Marc Johnson https://safetyatworkblog.com/2014/01/23/the-safety-features-of-the-new-polaris-set-a-new-benchmark/#comment-5991 Thu, 10 Dec 2015 22:02:11 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=12365#comment-5991 While I\’m no expert on safety and my experience is anecdotal at best, as an owner of an Ace I can provide some real world insights. The side nets, are not that much of a pain to open and close. Additionally there are hard doors (both full and half) that can be purchased. They are clearly not designed to keep a rider in who\’s not wearing a seatbelt. Short of driving the Ace on and off the trailer wearing a seatbelt should be a given (of course so should a helmet, but we all know how that goes).

The Ace really is not marketed for work or industry. As others have pointed out, it\’s storage is weak at best. However it can pull 1500 lbs and has numerous hitch accessories. Additionally there are plow blades available as well. I think for this light duty work the Ace will do very well. It has a lot of low end torque. Again there are better machines better suited for the job but if you are looking for a 70/30 or 80/20 (recreation to work) machine the Ace will certainly work well.

Another consideration is comfort. A number of Ace riders are older riders who\’s bodies just aren\’t up to the beating a regular ATV/Quad will give them.

The 50 inch wheel base, with the ROPS is a bit tippy. I dumped my Ace over within 5 minutes of riding it for the first time. I\’ve since learned how to ride it and I don\’t have problems any more. I\’d much rather tip over in an Ace than a standard quad.

That said, I have purchased a four point harness for my riding, but I like to jump sand dunes and other things that the manual says not to do.

Quite honestly if I was looking for a Polaris for work it would without a question be a Ranger and I\’d leave the Ace for having fun on the trails or dunes.

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By: David Robertson https://safetyatworkblog.com/2014/01/23/the-safety-features-of-the-new-polaris-set-a-new-benchmark/#comment-5990 Thu, 06 Feb 2014 05:15:52 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=12365#comment-5990 WE\’VE had ATV, UTV, even SSV. So what about the WTF?

One cheeky wag contacted Back Paddock and made the suggestion after it was reported last week the peak motorcycle body won\’t classify the new Polaris Ace as an ATV.

Instead, the Federated Chamber of Automotive Industries has decided it will be classified as a two-person side-by-side vehicle.

Which is no mean feat, considering the Ace is single-person vehicle.

So our man suggested that what better acronym to reflect the confusion than WTF?
http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/country-living/back-paddock/cheeky-expression-is-latest-candidate-in-atv-name-game/story-fnkerakj-1226816568242

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By: The Watchkeepers https://safetyatworkblog.com/2014/01/23/the-safety-features-of-the-new-polaris-set-a-new-benchmark/#comment-5989 Sat, 01 Feb 2014 21:00:35 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=12365#comment-5989 I would like to make several points about this article. First point is the difference between an ATV which is a 3 or 4 wheeled vehicle that is ridden like a motorcycle and steered with handlebars and a UTV which is 4 wheeled vehicle that has a steering wheel, seat belts and in many cases side by side seating. The Polaris shown above is a UTV, or as Polaris describes it an “off-road vehicle. Two totally different machines.UTVs are much more stable than ATVs (quad bikes) and offer much more protection to occupants because of the roll over protection found on most of them.

There have been various models of UTVs available from several manufacturers in North America for a number of years. While the Polaris model shown above is designed for recreation there are models that are designed for work or accessories that would allow them to be used for many tasks. In looking for information I found the TomCar which is an Australian designed utility vehicle that is similar to the Polaris but appears designed primarily for work rather than recreation, Why hasn’t it been seen as a safer machine for work use than quad bikes?

John pointed out that 75% of ATVs in US are used for recreation, however with more than 7 million of them in use that still means that at least 2.2 million are used for work related activities. Figures I could find for Australia suggest that there might be a 1/2 million in use for both work and recreation.

A presentation on ATV safety also gives numbers of ATV fatalities in USA (2000-2007) 4518 and Australia (2001-2010) 127. however in the USA only 869 of the fatalities were farm related while 83 in Australia were, a much larger percentage.

Perhaps the the fact that in Australia quad bikes are being used for tasks that they were never intended for is contributing to for the number of fatalities in farm operations. The suggestion that seat belts are an inconvenience that farmers cannot put up with suggests a problem as well, if quad bikes were to be equipped with ROPS then they would also be equipped with seat belts which would have to be used if the ROPS is to protect the rider.

Unsafe operation of ATVs also contributes to many of the injuries and fatalities suffered by users. Whether it is a youngster operating an ATV that is to large for them or an operator travelling at to high a speed for the terrain or attempting to operate the machine on slopes that are too steep for safety or carrying loads that affect the stability of the machine are all too often contributing factors in ATV accidents.

Perhaps quad bikes should be equipped with ROPS or perhaps we should be looking at safer and more suitable vehicles for certain work tasks.

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By: Kevin Jones https://safetyatworkblog.com/2014/01/23/the-safety-features-of-the-new-polaris-set-a-new-benchmark/#comment-5988 Tue, 28 Jan 2014 22:44:48 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=12365#comment-5988 The Weekly Times\’ follow up article on the Sportsman Ace is available online

Ed Gannon adds some useful information:
Polaris is not a member of the FCAI.
Polaris has increased its production target of the Sportsman Ace.
The collective term \”quad bike\” could remove the semantic distinction.

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By: milkmaidmarian https://safetyatworkblog.com/2014/01/23/the-safety-features-of-the-new-polaris-set-a-new-benchmark/#comment-5987 Tue, 28 Jan 2014 18:17:18 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=12365#comment-5987 For once, Kevin, I disagree with you. This bike does not offer the same functionality for all the reasons John Lambert outlined.

The big one is the fact that you need to climb in and out of a bucket seat and be meticulous with the seat belt.This does not suit any style of farming where you have to get on and off dozens of times a day.

It also makes it incredibly difficult to get jobs done if you can\’t bring tools with you.

This lack of functionality is no different than controls on a piece of industrial machinery that don\’t allow for maintenance and therefore invite users to bypass safeguards, rendering them useless.

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By: Kevin Jones https://safetyatworkblog.com/2014/01/23/the-safety-features-of-the-new-polaris-set-a-new-benchmark/#comment-5986 Tue, 28 Jan 2014 00:43:57 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=12365#comment-5986 I have been contacted by the FCAI this morning about the article above. They point out that Polaris\’ media release does not describe the Sportsman Ace model as an All Terrain Vehicle. Re-reading the media release issued by Polaris, the FCAI is correct and the incorrect text has been removed from the blog article.

It may be necessary to accept that the Sportsman Ace is neither an ATV or a UTV but a hybrid. It could also be considered to be a \”reconfigured quad bike\” as one person told SafetyAtWorkBlog.

I see some of the discussion as convenient semantics, others see the difference between ATV, UTV and this new model as vital point of difference. What this blog has tried to do throughout the many years of the quad bike safety debate is focus on the issue of Safety. We look for the options that provide the greatest degree of harm prevention without impeding the use and functionality of a vehicle or article of plant.

The Polaris Sportsman Ace remains an example of how improved safety can be designed into a vehicle that has much of the same functionality and, indeed, the same \”footprint\” as a quad bike. For years, in Australia, the manufacturers resisted this safety-in-design option, emphasising the need for helmets, better rider education and other low-order administrative controls. The Sportsman Ace shows that redesign was always possible.

The manufacturers can, and probably will, continue to hold to their long-established position on ATV safety but the Sportsman Ace is a \”gamechanger\” in terms of safety and the reduction of harm to drivers. When it comes time to upgrade a quad bike, this sort of hybrid quad bike should be first choice.

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