Comments on: Inductions, technology and effectiveness https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/03/20/inductions-technology-and-effectiveness/ Award winning news, commentary and opinion on workplace health and safety Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:21:17 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: Dave B https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/03/20/inductions-technology-and-effectiveness/#comment-1793 Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:21:17 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=9977#comment-1793 Interesting discussion raised at an opportune time. I have just finished an on-line “orientation” after completing on-line “inductions”. These both gave me a heads up but were not effective inductions. I am a great believer in doing a face to face induction and walkaround so things mentioned in the induction are pointed out and can be elaborated on further.

My personal belief is that an on-line orientation should be done first followed by a face to face walk around. If it can’t be done with a safety person, get an experienced worker or supervisor to do it. A lot of little site-specific idiosycrasies can be identified and discussed.

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By: Mark Lapworth https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/03/20/inductions-technology-and-effectiveness/#comment-1792 Wed, 28 Mar 2012 03:01:24 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=9977#comment-1792 In reply to The Watchkeepers.

Watchkeeper, I agree that the quality of information, together with the degree of engagement generated by the type and style of training are the two oars in the water.

To re-inforce the last point you make on the ‘defendability’ of a computer training/testing process, I came across the results of an individual’s general and site-specific inductions for a mining company. The General Induction contained 22 questions, and the site induction contained 27. They were check the boxes type answers, and the worker completed them in 16 and 21 minutes repectively. Not a lot of deep thought required there.

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By: The Watchkeepers https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/03/20/inductions-technology-and-effectiveness/#comment-1791 Wed, 28 Mar 2012 00:58:49 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=9977#comment-1791 What you call induction in Australia is called orientation in Canada and is required to be given to new workers before they undertake any work task. It normally consists of a general orientation which is standard for any worker and then a group or departmental orientaion which is more specific to the hazards and tasks to be performed by the worker.
From my experience it is not the mode of training that presents problems but outdated or incorrect information. Both hard copy and computer based training will not be effective unless properly developed and presented.
As for who should do the orientation a great deal will depend on the employer. Larger employers that have an HR person usually rely on that person to do the general orientation, if the employer has an OHS person the health and safety portion of the orientation often falls to that individual. It is usually a front line supervisor or department head that does the task specific orientation so at that point you have the operations group actively involved.
I agree with Les that whoever does the training has to be qualified to carry out the process and has to feel comfortable in doing it. A lot of individuals do not have either the technical or people skills to effectively teach others.
I personally believe that an instructor led orientation session is much more effective than one done on a computer because the instructor is there to provide guidance and assistance to the participants.
I think the selling point for computer based training is simply cost, however I wouldn’t want to have to defend the concept if an incident occurred and the issue of training was raised.

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By: Les Henley https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/03/20/inductions-technology-and-effectiveness/#comment-1790 Wed, 21 Mar 2012 21:40:44 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=9977#comment-1790 I keep seeing comments to the effect that ‘inductions must be presented by O/WHS professionals. What does that approach do for ‘ownership’ of safety by operations management?
I agree that the content of safety training should be vetted, if not developed, by those with subject matter technical expertise.
But surely presentation of safety training should go hand-in-glove with job focussed training. And if Operations don’t ‘own’ the safety component how will it be viewed by the recipient?
For organisations with geographic diversity, or of large size, it may not be practicable for a single WHS resource to present all induction training. But there must be a ‘site based’ component and a job based component in any induction training and so why should it not be incorporated into ‘operations’ training and then have operations responsible for delivering it?
This raises another issue – legislation requires training to be provided by ‘competent’ people. I’ve received training from many O/WHS ‘professionals’ that, in my mind, were not ‘competent’ to deliver training. That’s not a comment on teir skills as saftey professionals – it’s a comment on their ‘trainer skills’.
Even in my own experience, as a previously ‘certified’ consultation trainer under NSW WorkCover, the process of determining my ‘competence’ to deliver that training was seriously flawed. (Though I believe I was competent, I had some doubts abouts others I saw presenting this training).
In terms of ‘inductions’ that I have experienced (done to me), the process has generally been aimed more at ‘ticking the box’ and less at ensuring I had knowledge and skill to apply safety principles and processes in the relevant workplace.
But then I have also long struggled with ‘operation’s’ desire for any training, and especially safety training, to be a brief as possible because ‘it costs’. And I have to cry ‘But injuries cost more!!!’.
So it may well be that the problem with inductions is more to do first with ‘ownership’ and second with competence to establish an appropriate delivery methodology and deliver it in an appropriate context.

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By: Sunstate Equipment Co. https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/03/20/inductions-technology-and-effectiveness/#comment-1789 Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:43:14 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=9977#comment-1789 Sometimes, the “outdated, manual, paper-based inductions” system works when it comes to occupational safety rules. If there are no computer connection, the good old paper with the rules can still provide basis. And yes, I agree with one person here who stated that “competency assessment” is merely memorization. I agree with his idea of an essay test, as this will really test if employees really understand safety regulations and what they would do if in that situation.

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By: Kevin Jones https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/03/20/inductions-technology-and-effectiveness/#comment-1788 Wed, 21 Mar 2012 06:06:03 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=9977#comment-1788 In reply to Amy Towers.

Amy, thanks very much for participating.

You say “Online inductions provide an avenue to assist employers/PCBU’s to meet there obligations in circumstances where it’s, arguably, not practicable to be giving personalised face to face inductions at all times”. I agree that online inductions can be an option, or “avenue”, and that “no induction , online or otherwise, stands alone” but the OHS laws require employers and PCBUs to evaluate the practicability of options and not rush to an attractive option without that evaluation.

Recently a safety forum discussed, at length, how it may be possible to make inductions effective in reducing unsafe acts by workers. It was stated that many existing physical and virtual inductions do not achieve safety improvements even though they may, technically, comply with OHS laws. The inductions were ineffective and that is the deficiency of many inductions – they occur for compliance sake and not safety stake.

I would appreciate if someone can point me in the direction of which types of OHS induction provide the best improvement in safety performance.

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By: Amy Towers https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/03/20/inductions-technology-and-effectiveness/#comment-1787 Wed, 21 Mar 2012 05:35:35 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=9977#comment-1787 Thanks for raising this debate, it’s important to consider the different perspectives around online inductions and their suitability for different circumstances.

I’d like to clarify my title as I was not intending to pass myself off as a lawyer in any way, the reference to employment lawyers in the media release was referring to FCB, my employer, which is an employment law firm, my title was made clear in the second line. I apologise for any misrepresentation.
I have also, for some time now, advised WorkPro on their WHS content both as an independent consultant and more recently as an employee of FCB – hence the reference to this system.

In relation to the real topic, although it would be ideal to have a qualified health and safety practitioner providing interactive and personalised inductions to all workers unfortunately for many businesses in 2012 this is not possible. Online inductions provide an avenue to assist employers/PCBU’s to meet there obligations in circumstances where it’s, arguably, not practicable to be giving personalised face to face inductions at all times. I think one of the commentators on the blog pointed this out well. For example, for workers working in remote locations, or working alone online inductions can provide flexibility for PCBU’s. Examples include on-hire/labour hire firms and contracting firms where their workers get access to consistent information, delivered online followed up by an assessment which demonstrates the workers understanding of the information. Of course, as we all know, the provision of information through an induction is only one element of the duty to provide information and therefore, no induction, online or otherwise, stands alone. However, to eliminate the option of online content delivery completely is, I believe, very unhelpful and failing to understand the multitude of ways Australians are working in 2012.

In response to Brett’s comment, we have to remember the issue here is as much about compliance as it is about safety and I referenced WorkPro as an example of a technology-based system (that I am aware of) which ensures employers will have the records to demonstrate they have met some of their key obligations, it also has the capability to deliver automated reminders to individuals when they are due for a refresher, among other features. As we are the WHS compliance advisers to WorkPro, we have faith in its content and ability to meet requirements and so I’m not in a position to comment on other technology-based systems that may exist. However, I don’t doubt there are others.

Once again, I appreciate the healthy debate.

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By: Les Henley https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/03/20/inductions-technology-and-effectiveness/#comment-1786 Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:30:16 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=9977#comment-1786 In reply to Mark Lapwoorth.

Very astute and well developed response.

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By: mick https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/03/20/inductions-technology-and-effectiveness/#comment-1785 Tue, 20 Mar 2012 11:04:02 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=9977#comment-1785 As someone who has sat through an ohs inductions while the workplace trainer sat in the back without participation ,it sadly seemed to me a waste of time there was no feedback sought ,no assessment of the training effectiveness ,as someone who is doing an ohs diploma I dont believe the workplace safety culture benefited from this ,I recall last years Australian trainers magazine surveyed a number of ohs trainers who found this type of media training the least effective means of ohs training the most effective involving a trainer with ohs experience participating with trainees

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By: Mark Lapwoorth https://safetyatworkblog.com/2012/03/20/inductions-technology-and-effectiveness/#comment-1784 Tue, 20 Mar 2012 03:34:46 +0000 http://safetyatworkblog.com/?p=9977#comment-1784 Thanks, Kevin. I would make a couple of observations.
Firstly, concerning the question of, “outdated”.
I would tend to agree with the author that, perhaps a current computer-based induction may indeed be superior to an ‘outdated’ manual system. However, that presupposes and implies that all paper-based systems are necessarily out of date. Clearly, not so!
In fact, I recently did a computer-based assessment module from Cert IV OHS (BSBOHS406C – “Use Equipment to conduct workplace monitoring”). In the ‘References’ section at the back of the module, of the 15 web links offered, 7 were broken, led to incorrect references, or went to a homepage for someone like CSIRO (where finding a single research paper without the correct link or title is impossible). The links were set in 2005 and haven’t been updated since. So, “on-line” does NOT equal “up-to-date”.
I note that a large agency (Hays) uses on-line inductions, but it seems to be more of a Power Point than interactive, so, there are on-line inductions and there are on-line inductions.
The second issue is around “consultation & communication”. One of the features of modern technology (especially “social media”) is how damn unsocial it makes people. The sight of a whole bunch of silent friends out together tweeting people who are not there brings to mind the aphorism, valuable in OHS, “Wherever you are, be THERE.”
One of the things legislation, training and work culture should be inculcating is a sense of alert presence and a natural habit of communication & discussion. One of the things induction training should do is to commence the creation of a culture of discussion & communication, which sending workers off to push keys in front of a monitor on their own undermines.

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